City blocks new growth in East Village -QCTimes
Yep, we're really trying to get development here.
This just baffles me, because the East Village is not some idyllic, quaint mecca for peaceful activity and churches. There are a LOT of police calls to the existing bars in the East Village. During the times that the proposed club would be open, the arts and crafts type shops are mostly closed, and all that's open are bars and Rudy's.
What are they afraid of, letting in another business that might have the same problems THEY have? I am really not one to throw around racism charges, but I just think there's some subconscious motives here. Something tells me that if this was a country music " dance club" there would be suddenly less concern about the "parking problems." Where is the parking for half the bars that are there now? On the street, and in the surrounding blocks. Apparently its all about being there first, and then creating new rules to keep anyone else out. I can't be kept away from Rudy's, but I think I'm done with the rest of the folks down there.
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You are dumb QCI. I know that is mean, but grow up and consider something called planning.
I am concerned about the legal issues related to this, but the city does this knod of thing all the time. There is nothing wring withpreserving the integrity of a neighborhood. Sometimes you have to take a stand and make a plan.
And in the mean time all the businesses are moving to Eldridge. This is the same anti-business mentality that destroyed the last council. It is zoned commercial, let business in.
If people are already parking on the street and in the surrounding neighborhoods the area can not support yet another bar. I've got no dog in this fight but this seems to be a case of "smart" growth. Only grow when you have the resources to support it.
The guy who is applying manages a club with 300 police calls per year. A lot of it is gang related. They don't want that in the East Village. Simple as that.
I know about his involvement with Las Bananas, and I certainly know how that place is. I just posted something about it in the last week. However, that place is not "his" club, and it seems to me he could be trying to seperate himself from the problems there.
I guess what bothers me about this is how they're doing this whole moratorium on any new businesses in the East Village just to stop this one guy. It seems very personal. I still stand by my point about the country western bar. That's not even touching the fact that the city may or may not have given him the impression that he'd be able to open his club there before he invested in it.
QCI:
You sound like Mark Ridolfi jumping to conclusions and making sweeping judgements about that group. Ridolfi does the same injustice in this town. Unless you talk to both sides of an issue, shut up about it.
Just because something is zoned 'properly' in Davenport doesn't mean that it fits into the neighborhoods. We know that first hand in Davenport. We have all kinds of landl zoned 'properly' by people a long time ago and people with no forthought. We plan poorly in Davenport, so the people have to do things like the moratorium to protect where they live. It is pathetic, but it is Davenport for you.
So are we going to kick out all the other bars?
No, the other bars don't need to be kicked out but new massive bars shouldn't be let in. I'm sure if this were a smaller bar and not a large club they would have had better luck.
The problem is everyone knows we don't do anything about the nuisance bars when they happen. If Davenport routinely fined the heck out of them and closed them down when they started to have too many police calls, I think it would be less of a risk to allow this bar to happen. Yes, the guy was associated with a nuisance bar, but maybe his bar will be different. I think we should give him a chance, but I also think him and every other bar should be charged for too many police calls.
Conservative Demo here:
QCI, you are thick-headed; can't your mind process the difference between food-serving bars and a nightclub? Between the known patronage demographics of the food-serving bars and the probable and likely patronage demographics of the latter?
Sounds to me like a good idea to limit everybody while they figure a legal way to exclude the undesireable.
If the food serving bars were like Pat McGuire's or something, I might see your point. I don't know if I've ever heard the cops called to there. What I'm saying is that the existing "food serving bars" have quite a lot of police calls, so how does that make them better for the area?
QCI: I can't believe you don't get it. If you serioulsy don't get it then you should just close up shop. You are sounding stupid and are on the verge on not being at all credible. If you can't see the difference in a Pat McGuires kind of bar and a gang night club, then shut your computer down because you are just being difficult and annoying.
With an attitude and brains like that, you should call Clayton Lloyd and see if you can have a job in the Community Economic Development department, you would fit right in with staff who think planning is a cuss word.
Its you that didn't see my point.
I was comparing Pat McGuires to the Stockade, Grumpies, 11th Street Precinct, etc that are down there now. The comparison does not come out favorably for the Village. What my point was, is let he who is without sin throw the first stone. If Isabel Bloom or some other family-friendly shop down there has a problem with a possible increase in crime, that's one thing. When its one of the current crime-causers, I have a problem.
We don't know if the now-aborted nightclub plan would have been a gang bar or not. There are plenty of dance clubs in the world that don't have crime problems. If it became a problem, it should be shut down. As I said earlier, the problem is we never shut bars down. In the hypothetical land where we crack down on problem bars, what would be the harm in giving a club a try?
You are so young and niave. Obvioulsy you don't know how Davenport operates. We don't just shut bars down without a lot of grief and issues before it happens. If it happens. The problems can be prevented.
On Washingston Street there is a Alcohol Mart that was promoted by Ray Ambrose and supported by the council. It was such a bad idea and now it is causing many issues for the 'historic' Washington Street. It was brainless planning and should have not been supported. Same for the one downtown.
We need to grow balls in Davenport and plan better. We are su focused on being politically correct that we shoot ourselves in the foot.
Ambrose thinks all small business is good, I think he would even vote "yes" to legalize whores, after all it is a small business.
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